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Post from Wednesday, April 16, 2003:
ACCOUNTABILITY AN ONGOING BATTLE
Is truth the collateral damage that is acceptable?
A frequent topic for discussion is, will the administration be held accountable for the lack of evidence for weapons of mass destruction. But there are two more important questions that they are accountable for. 1. Could inspections have found them? and 2. Would they have ever been used?
They can be held accountable for the failure of diplomatic measures and other cooperative efforts. Their strongest argument was that it was a choice between war and doing nothing. Did you see any banners for doing nothing? Is there a "do nothing" crowd out there?
They framed the argument and their opponent was "doing nothing". So much for war being the final option, if the only other option they proposed or could recognize was "doing nothing".
It has been said that the first casualty of war is the truth. Since this war was contemplated well before the last election, it is clear that that casualty occurred during the campaign. And now as he returns to the campaign money trail, it is referred to as the next war. It is now clear that truth was a much earlier casualty.
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Tuesday, March 30, 2004
Wednesday, April 16, 2003
ACCOUNTABILITY AN ONGOING BATTLE
Is truth the collateral damage that is acceptable?
A frequent topic for discussion is, will the administration be held accountable for the lack of evidence for weapons of mass destruction. But there are two more important questions that they are accountable for. 1. Could inspections have found them? and 2. Would they have ever been used?
They can be held accountable for the failure of diplomatic measures and other cooperative efforts. Their strongest argument was that it was a choice between war and doing nothing. Did you see any banners for doing nothing? Is there a "do nothing" crowd out there?
They framed the argument and their opponent was "doing nothing". So much for war being the final option, if the only other option they proposed or could recognize was "doing nothing".
It has been said that the first casualty of war is the truth. Since this war was contemplated well before the last election, it is clear that that casualty occurred during the campaign. And now as he returns to the campaign money trail, it is referred to as the next war. It is now clear that truth was a much earlier casualty.
Is truth the collateral damage that is acceptable?
A frequent topic for discussion is, will the administration be held accountable for the lack of evidence for weapons of mass destruction. But there are two more important questions that they are accountable for. 1. Could inspections have found them? and 2. Would they have ever been used?
They can be held accountable for the failure of diplomatic measures and other cooperative efforts. Their strongest argument was that it was a choice between war and doing nothing. Did you see any banners for doing nothing? Is there a "do nothing" crowd out there?
They framed the argument and their opponent was "doing nothing". So much for war being the final option, if the only other option they proposed or could recognize was "doing nothing".
It has been said that the first casualty of war is the truth. Since this war was contemplated well before the last election, it is clear that that casualty occurred during the campaign. And now as he returns to the campaign money trail, it is referred to as the next war. It is now clear that truth was a much earlier casualty.
Tuesday, March 11, 2014
Light Speed
I was going to quip, a week or few ago, that things are happening faster than I can read. Well, that has always been the case. But in particular, things change faster than I could comment on, while others share faster than I could ever keep up with. Then there are things that I feel have maybe jumped the shark(1) . Well...that is not exactly the ticket(2) . But there are issues that I did not even want to get deeper into because the sources^ are too skeptical*.
*for lack of a better word
Lede or ship? i.e. L.S. heading[!]
^ Change in the Age of Schism[!], (...), escapement?, Good News Bad News, To Filter [(...)]
[Yet to link previous comments.^^]
^^(inserts and cont. 3-12-14)
TIP (Tie-in Process)
TIP (Tome in Progress), NQSNL(Not Quite SNL)
(1) (b.s.)blog search: Tacky, tact, tack..., Jumping the Shark?, (f) An Inconvenient Platonics? , Book by it's cover, memo by it's title: historical?
(2) not exactley the ticket: The Battle of Milieu.
NOTE: * not exaclty ( WATERBOARDING THE LAW )/( Why OWS is bigger than Left vs. Right. )
MY POINT or aversion: Was touched on by Rachel^^^ Maddow. GOTO lede** or ship, there is a point.
Then there is context: at this point I want to put 3-9-14 in context bracketed*** by The Battle of Milieu. and the TIP of the ice - berg [!]
**opening paragraph
*** facebook
[anachronism]
^^^(3-13-14) spying is done in secret: to paraphrase RM
If truth is the first casualty of war, the first tool is dissemblance."[!]"
{not the original intent}
*for lack of a better word
Lede or ship? i.e. L.S. heading[!]
^ Change in the Age of Schism[!], (...), escapement?, Good News Bad News, To Filter [(...)]
[Yet to link previous comments.^^]
^^(inserts and cont. 3-12-14)
TIP (Tie-in Process)
TIP (Tome in Progress), NQSNL(Not Quite SNL)
(1) (b.s.)blog search: Tacky, tact, tack..., Jumping the Shark?, (f) An Inconvenient Platonics? , Book by it's cover, memo by it's title: historical?
(2) not exactley the ticket: The Battle of Milieu.
NOTE: * not exaclty ( WATERBOARDING THE LAW )/( Why OWS is bigger than Left vs. Right. )
MY POINT or aversion: Was touched on by Rachel^^^ Maddow. GOTO lede** or ship, there is a point.
Then there is context: at this point I want to put 3-9-14 in context bracketed*** by The Battle of Milieu. and the TIP of the ice - berg [!]
**opening paragraph
[anachronism]
^^^(3-13-14) spying is done in secret: to paraphrase RM
If truth is the first casualty of war, the first tool is dissemblance."[!]"
{not the original intent}
Labels:
Check and Balances,
CIA,
Intelligence,
RSN,
Senate,
The Guardian
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
The Golden Rule (in Progress)
When it comes to war, diplomacy
and legal matters, the truth hurts.
But it cuts both ways.
CIA Refuses to Turn Over Torture Tape Documents
by Jason Leopold / www.truthout.org / Report
"The truth hurts" is one of those aphorisms. Logic requires truth, and it is a method of discerning truth. (A deeper or higher aphorism?) However, it is probably only the lack of truth or hiding it that truly hurts. Yet discerning it is a reversal of fortunes* or the irony of nature or law itself that facing it hurts.
"The first casualty of war is truth.".Or rather see how buried the truth can be.
* a reference to legal matters, diplomacy and war and what one loses first.
[The premise of my logic is not diminished by my misattribution of cross principles, In reversal, Obama seeks to block abuse photos The Guardian/AP...**
OUCH!: In trying to be cross cultural about the references to truth and freedom, I apologize for the pun to the links, but hope that it raises the value of the intersections.] and
[[Construing an INDEX:
The Golden Rule @ "what one loses"
"The Truth will set you free" John 8:32 @ "cross principles"
Selections from the Koran on freedom @ Ouch!]]
[[[To which I cannot vouch but have found some correspondence.]]]
** third link's a charm? or strike out? My original query was "If a picture is worth a thousand words, how many pictures are really needed?" Is that a dangerous penumbra?
and legal matters, the truth hurts.
But it cuts both ways.
CIA Refuses to Turn Over Torture Tape Documents
by Jason Leopold / www.truthout.org / Report
"The truth hurts" is one of those aphorisms. Logic requires truth, and it is a method of discerning truth. (A deeper or higher aphorism?) However, it is probably only the lack of truth or hiding it that truly hurts. Yet discerning it is a reversal of fortunes* or the irony of nature or law itself that facing it hurts.
"The first casualty of war is truth.".Or rather see how buried the truth can be.
* a reference to legal matters, diplomacy and war and what one loses first.
[The premise of my logic is not diminished by my misattribution of cross principles, In reversal, Obama seeks to block abuse photos The Guardian/AP...**
OUCH!: In trying to be cross cultural about the references to truth and freedom, I apologize for the pun to the links, but hope that it raises the value of the intersections.] and
[[Construing an INDEX:
The Golden Rule @ "what one loses"
"The Truth will set you free" John 8:32 @ "cross principles"
Selections from the Koran on freedom @ Ouch!]]
[[[To which I cannot vouch but have found some correspondence.]]]
** third link's a charm? or strike out? My original query was "If a picture is worth a thousand words, how many pictures are really needed?" Is that a dangerous penumbra?
Thursday, August 08, 2013
Initialism
Not to pun on Recreationism [!]
But Crypto Political Science deals with a more dimentional political spectrum of global exceptionionalism. (FP1)
(not there yet)
In the begining...
Long Story
BLANK NETWORK (scroll click){Paper U?}
{Re insert} Speaking of Pre Post or Us ... Knowwww!!!!*
* Colbert Daft Anachronism
(MSNBC search for "Failed States" flailed bridges)
{OK, the original sentiment is that there is politics of a third kind^. Not just the libertarian(6) , but international perspectives (14) that clash with the old partisan ships. The glint of tinfoil(17) is actually a tool in the shed of progress that cannot be emptied by executive order**. There is a war on terrorism, it was declared by congress, and the president is the commander-in-chief. It is tough enough dealing (f.c.)^^ with adversarial states, let alone protect America from it's legacy(such as it is)*** in a world that is changing, from the global to the local. Crypto Political Science as I have coined it relates, to the wise crack of perception being reality. Knot[!] to mention, truth being the first casualty in war. It his hard enough dealing with a divided congress, let alone pre-constitutional or crypto-political organizations.}
** Ctrl F/papa
*** history in general/leading in particular(b.s.)
[OBAMA AM/Tonight Show: Changing the box ... of Tetra Heed Run.]
^ Embassy closings cover for actions or prudence in the unfolding middle-c of Turkey and Yemen? [To The Point ?]
(The Point *link* is yet to be inserted: an NPR report on Terrorism. A tangent? Who would be the counter-balance to Alan Simpson? But where is Joe Scarborough? LET ALONE THE CYCLE.)
[8-9-13 P.S.] ^^(f.c.)4ment change see (6)th link "dimentional". Let alone the Point !
Wednesday, February 19, 2014
There is a point.
If the first casualty of war is the truth. Information may be a tactic. It's a difficult Al Gore Rhythm. Not that I agree with much of the original post-9-11 legislation, it is tricky business to play Jenga with the world it has create. I don't believe that bulk data collection is tantamount to a violation of the fourth amendment. Not that protections don't need to be reconsidered*.
*2/20 speaking of filters and prophet ability
*2/20 speaking of filters and prophet ability
Saturday, June 01, 2013
JUNE(2013) FOOTNOTE PAGE ONE
6-3-13: 9/9 [sub-leak?-WikiLeaks’
Paul Ryan exposure, (2/5) Case
Study, Ryan/Romney
run from Ryan plan.., Smirking
Gun[!], (5 /5)Obama
Leaks] Bottom-Line? [Really!{?} Future
Bubble?, Bricks
and stones, Unspinning
Charlotte! !]
6-5-13: 8/15 two versions, 10/15 not(a,b) 11/15 too (a - Irony versus Hypocrisy, b(ii), c, d, Regime Rhetoric Reply)
6-6-13: Recent Ex-Changes of 7, 2 /7, Mitt's BO*Son, Try Angle, 5 of, The Mis-Underestimator of, "people like you"/7.
1 of 15, 2, 3 of15, 4of, 5, 6, 7, 8 of, 9 /, Contempt for Courage, Better Business Bureau, 12 of, What the Beck? /, 14 of, 15-All in?
6-10-13 (b.s.) Under the Table?, The Maze of Mace( 2/7 ), Bring It On!, Lib...Ya[!] is not Free!( 4 ), Toning Down the Lines.( 5 ), Progress is Global( 6 ), Phase II?
6-21-13 Not Here Yet!
6-24-13 NOW is to be inserted later. "first+casualty"(b. s.) / "on the table buffet" ( b. s. ) (sc)
6-25-13 Yes, mean time is one word[!] C-till or...(fn2)
6-26-13 Hecuva job and whose here to help you, re labels and spoiler alerts.
6-27-13 : Post Newtonian Economics ... hilite Knot [!]
6-5-13: 8/15 two versions, 10/15 not(a,b) 11/15 too (a - Irony versus Hypocrisy, b(ii), c, d, Regime Rhetoric Reply)
6-6-13: Recent Ex-Changes of 7, 2 /7, Mitt's BO*Son, Try Angle, 5 of, The Mis-Underestimator of, "people like you"/7.
1 of 15, 2, 3 of15, 4of, 5, 6, 7, 8 of, 9 /, Contempt for Courage, Better Business Bureau, 12 of, What the Beck? /, 14 of, 15-All in?
6-10-13 (b.s.) Under the Table?, The Maze of Mace( 2/7 ), Bring It On!, Lib...Ya[!] is not Free!( 4 ), Toning Down the Lines.( 5 ), Progress is Global( 6 ), Phase II?
6-21-13 Not Here Yet!
6-24-13 NOW is to be inserted later. "first+casualty"(b. s.) / "on the table buffet" ( b. s. ) (sc)
6-25-13 Yes, mean time is one word[!] C-till or...(fn2)
6-26-13 Hecuva job and whose here to help you, re labels and spoiler alerts.
6-27-13 : Post Newtonian Economics ... hilite Knot [!]
Thursday, May 14, 2015
Counter Intelligence
Not really ... or type-O ?
Before I cast aspersions we might be reminded of curve ball and other manipulations for political gain or loss.
People can be told anything, confirming it or counting on it are another thing, not to mention protecting sources**, let alone foreign and domestic consumption of intelligence.
5-15-15 Dimentions(~)* of Speculation
QCON, NFRY, NFR, and a number more labels.
Quick Comment on News
Not Fully Read Yet
Not Fully Read
# more?
*or labels or magnitudes of exposure to "intelligence community"
(~) alternate sarcasm punctuation or (sic) for spelling intended
** not to advocate misleading but international relations, national security and truth as the first casualty of war and Clause~wits are a factor in considering sources.
Priority of Read is another asterisk(or read through the nuance).
Charles Pierce(really) reviews Seymor Hersh's (or) while Huffington(I) reviews the New York Times aspersions and Bergen's(cast) is unembedded from Charles Pierce's piece.
Before I cast aspersions we might be reminded of curve ball and other manipulations for political gain or loss.
People can be told anything, confirming it or counting on it are another thing, not to mention protecting sources**, let alone foreign and domestic consumption of intelligence.
5-15-15 Dimentions(~)* of Speculation
QCON, NFRY, NFR, and a number more labels.
Quick Comment on News
Not Fully Read Yet
Not Fully Read
# more?
*or labels or magnitudes of exposure to "intelligence community"
(~) alternate sarcasm punctuation or (sic) for spelling intended
** not to advocate misleading but international relations, national security and truth as the first casualty of war and Clause~wits are a factor in considering sources.
Priority of Read is another asterisk(or read through the nuance).
Charles Pierce(really) reviews Seymor Hersh's (or) while Huffington(I) reviews the New York Times aspersions and Bergen's(cast) is unembedded from Charles Pierce's piece.
Friday, April 07, 2006
More Heroes Needed.
Words I saved in file yesterday:
From George Washington who could not lie about cutting down the cherry tree to George Bush the cherry picking intelligence leak that is above the law. From Nixon’s "I am not a crook" to Bush’s "nerve". From checks and balances to "outing" the intelligence and killing the debate, and blaming the messenger.
Apparently not only when war comes truth is the first casualty, but a preemptive war must apparently preempt truth.
WHILE I ALREADY POSTED A RELATED COMMENT, THE FOLLOWING NEEDS NOTING:
Dear Senator Harkin:
[Italics are from link]
We, the undersigned, support your principled stand with Senators Russ Feingold and Barbara Boxer in favor of holding President Bush accountable, and we urge you to bring the Resolution of Censure to the floor of the Senate for a vote. The President has brazenly, arrogantly and unapologetically broken the law - the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which prohibits warrantless wiretaps of American citizens. Despite getting caught red-handed, he refuses to stop.
Government must protect Americans' security, and that's why the FISA law allows intelligence services to listen to terrorists' conversations legally - by going to the secret espionage and terrorism court to get a warrant AFTER listening.
We are a nation of laws, not of men. No American is above the law. That most certainly includes the President. If Congress fails to hold him to account through censure, then he will believe that he can continue breaking laws with impunity. This is profoundly dangerous to our democracy.
We admire your courage in standing up to President Bush and saying enough! Now, we urge you to take the next step. We - ordinary Americans deeply concerned for the country we love - ask you to work with your colleagues to support and pass the Resolution of Censure in the Senate.
This is barely a start [AS I FURTHER NOTED]. Investigation into pre-war use of intelligence as demonstrated by the cherry-picking and leaking of intelligence must be debated as well. It is not a matter of what did the president know and when did he know it, but when did he know what he didn't want us to know, or not want to know himself?
How far back does it go that intelligence sources have been treatened with exposure for the type of intelligence they provide? How much intelligence has been lost by the declassification of intelligence for political gain? When the president and his supporters blame the media for the success of terrorism, how much does his own misuse of intelligence increase their strength?
It is one thing to be calling someone's bluff, but another to think that they don't know their own cards. Congress must recall the deck and reshuffle their oversight of the whole Bush administration.
While I thank Ed Schultz for supporting this issue, and I had already been contacting my Senators, I would also like to note three issues Thom Hartmann has listed as important to our economy: Labor Law, Trade Policy and Immigration. I would add that overarching or underlying these are the issues of social security and health coverage that government and corporations need to fit into the picture.
From George Washington who could not lie about cutting down the cherry tree to George Bush the cherry picking intelligence leak that is above the law. From Nixon’s "I am not a crook" to Bush’s "nerve". From checks and balances to "outing" the intelligence and killing the debate, and blaming the messenger.
Apparently not only when war comes truth is the first casualty, but a preemptive war must apparently preempt truth.
WHILE I ALREADY POSTED A RELATED COMMENT, THE FOLLOWING NEEDS NOTING:
Dear Senator Harkin:
[Italics are from link]
We, the undersigned, support your principled stand with Senators Russ Feingold and Barbara Boxer in favor of holding President Bush accountable, and we urge you to bring the Resolution of Censure to the floor of the Senate for a vote. The President has brazenly, arrogantly and unapologetically broken the law - the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which prohibits warrantless wiretaps of American citizens. Despite getting caught red-handed, he refuses to stop.
Government must protect Americans' security, and that's why the FISA law allows intelligence services to listen to terrorists' conversations legally - by going to the secret espionage and terrorism court to get a warrant AFTER listening.
We are a nation of laws, not of men. No American is above the law. That most certainly includes the President. If Congress fails to hold him to account through censure, then he will believe that he can continue breaking laws with impunity. This is profoundly dangerous to our democracy.
We admire your courage in standing up to President Bush and saying enough! Now, we urge you to take the next step. We - ordinary Americans deeply concerned for the country we love - ask you to work with your colleagues to support and pass the Resolution of Censure in the Senate.
This is barely a start [AS I FURTHER NOTED]. Investigation into pre-war use of intelligence as demonstrated by the cherry-picking and leaking of intelligence must be debated as well. It is not a matter of what did the president know and when did he know it, but when did he know what he didn't want us to know, or not want to know himself?
How far back does it go that intelligence sources have been treatened with exposure for the type of intelligence they provide? How much intelligence has been lost by the declassification of intelligence for political gain? When the president and his supporters blame the media for the success of terrorism, how much does his own misuse of intelligence increase their strength?
It is one thing to be calling someone's bluff, but another to think that they don't know their own cards. Congress must recall the deck and reshuffle their oversight of the whole Bush administration.
While I thank Ed Schultz for supporting this issue, and I had already been contacting my Senators, I would also like to note three issues Thom Hartmann has listed as important to our economy: Labor Law, Trade Policy and Immigration. I would add that overarching or underlying these are the issues of social security and health coverage that government and corporations need to fit into the picture.
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